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UNI-FILTERS the bigest POS I've ever seen

10K views 26 replies 19 participants last post by  black70  
#1 ·
I took the dealers advice on how great UNI-FILTERS are and put one on my '08 800 Outlander. I just did a valve adjustment and decided I would service the air filter while I was at it. The filter was put on 51 hours ago and has not seen any dusty conditions except for one recent 26 mile ride. The filter did not look dirty at all, still bright red, not even hardly a sign of light dirt residue on it anywhere. As I always due when I service air cleaners, I looked down the throttle body to make sure it is clean and to my suprise, it was filthy. I then cranked the throtle wide open and looked down into the intake manifold and saw dirt residue and build-up. I then removed the intake manifold to see just how much dirt was really in it. It appears as though I may as well have run with no air filter at all as much dirt as there is in the intake. Doesn't appear that UNI-FILTERS stop dirt at all. I then went and pulled the K&N off my wifes 400 Outlander Since it has 40 hours of dusty conditions on it since last serviced, and it was clean as a whistle throughout the intake. Now according to Can-Am, K&N's are a no-no because they let too much dirt by. Well what the hell are their recomended UNI's doing then. How much life just got taken out of this engine due to an inferior product recommended by the factory. I'm so pissed off right now over this whole deal I could just explode. I put the intake manifold in a ziplock bag with all the evidence still in it. I almost pitty the dealer when I show up tomorrow with the manifold and the filter to stick up his &#@.
 
#3 ·
Brings up a good question...What is "oiled correctly"? I have a twin-air foam filter, which i am taking as far as material and how to service the filter, should be the same. I use Bel-Ray foam filter oil (Blue in color) to re-oil my filter. I pretty much just pour the oil into a bucket and roll the outside of the filter in the oil until it is totally blue/covered. Then I let it sit for 2 days dripping the excess into the bucket...the oil becomes tacky/sticky, then I put my outerwear on over the newly oiled foam part and get F*#ING tacky/sticky oil all over my hands and the outerwear...it's really quite annoying...I am hoping I am doing this right...but it sure as heck makes a sticky mess...
 
#4 ·
Ive always been curious to what others are doing to re-oil theirs too. I just did my new Uni, first I used some Klotz spray oil that I had but it wasnt sticky so I used Uni oil in the bottle. I put some in a pan, rolled the foam around in it and wrung it out a few times until I couldnt get any more out of it. What a mess, latex gloves are your friend...
 
#5 ·
I used uni-filters on my 07 gade my 08 gade and my 07 outlander....they worked great...so my guess is that you didnt oil it near enough if any...

if your filter looked bright red (new looking) after 51 hours it probably wasnt oiled...

I use PJ1 cleaner and treatment from canadian tire...i know you US people dont have that store but I image that harbour freight will have that stuff or something similar...

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I even use this now on my stock air filter foam for my 2010 outty and works awesome...I have around 1600km not sure the hours and TB still looks clean as new and that is with a stock filter...
 
#7 ·
Been using the PJ1 products for 20 yrs. and like them very much. The oil is RED in color so there is no issues about even distribution of the oil on the filter. And it's spray on, no pouring in bucket & rolling filter in it. Spray on let sit for 15 min. & install
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#6 ·
Sounds to me that the filter wasn't oiled enough.

I use the spray on Uni filter oil.
I wash the filter in warm soapy water to remove all the dirt.
Let it dry by standing in the sun on a nice day. Don't wring out the filter only squeeze it or it will stretch.
I then get a clear plastic bag from the kitchen and place the filter in side. Spray a generous amount of oil to the inside and outside of the outer filter band. Massage the filter whilst in the bag to make sure an even coating of oil. You may have to spray more oil.
Then carry out the same treatment to the inner fixed part of the filter.
Doing this in a bag will keep those hands clean.
 
#11 ·
I'm inclined to think you did not see the dirt in the carb when you installed the uni or you have an air leak some where and most likely the 2nd. Even a paper filter will show dirt and they are not oiled. If the filter was NEW they are oiled from the factory and since you say the filter is red it had to be oiled. Check closely for and air leak; there should be a sign where the dust came through unless you cleaned all the parts.
 
#13 ·
i've never seen a uni oiled right out of the package. the first twin air i got was not oiled, but the newer '09 style one was oiled. i still cleaned the factory oil off and oiled it with no-toil.
 
#17 ·
X2 Oxymax.

I too use the zip-loc bag to oil the filters and it works great. Put it in the bag, pour some oil in, squish out the air, seal the bag, and mix it all around. Simple, easy, and best of all CLEAN.

I got that from you guys and I love it.

For those of you that drip dry the oil, there is such a thing as oiling it too much. You don't want or need extra oil, just enough to catch the dust and dirt. The extra oil catches air.

B.T.W. What happened to black70?
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#18 ·
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maybe he found out what you guys are saying and feels like a as*hol* now??? i don't know why he is not commenting?? garanteed he has read it thou. or maybe not?
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#24 ·
I'm back. Just came off of 5 straight 14 hour graveyard shifts and this is the first time I've turned on the computer since. When I bought this thing, the manager at the dealership handed it to me sealed in the package and said "it is oiled and ready to go." I said "so I don't need to oil it before putting it on?" He said "no". Pardon me for being the dip sh&% and listening to him. Yes it did appear to be oiled in the package sinse it was dripping with oil when I pulled it out. When I checked it, no it did not seem oiled, all the oil seemed to be puddled-up in the air box. No, there is nor was any holes, cracks, or loose clamps. Yes, I did look down the throttle body before I put the UNI on and yes, it was perfectly clean before. I have 3 diesel pick-ups, seven diesel tractors, and a diesel bulldozer that all live in the dirt and dust and suck alot more air rhan an atv and I've never dusted an engine on any of them yet. And yes, this is the first time I've looked at this sinse I've posted it and for those of you sitting at your computer questioning amongst your selves why I am not at mine should perhaps get a life because unlike you, some of us have better things to do.
 
#19 ·
his last activity was 2:41 yesterday morning, so he hasn't seen any responses yet.
 
#20 ·
I put the uni on my 08 (when I had the stock intake). It was not oiled from the factory. You might as well have not run any filter at all. Your K&N would have done the same if it hadn't been oiled either. I became a firm believer of foam filters after owing a dirtbike and riding the dunes lots. I've often pulled my filter off and thought this thing is so dirty it has to be passing, but the back side was always super clean.
 
#21 ·
I run the KN and type air filters in the car/truck but the DUST is not there. on the atv we run UT and the fine dust (telecom power) and this will get through the KN's but the foam type offer better protection even though both types are oiled. The holes in the KN type are so big that you can see through them when held up to the light. foam any foam is better than KN style filter on ATV.
 
#23 · (Edited by Moderator)
My dealer told me the Uni filter I bought from his store was "pre-oiled". The outer red coarse foam had a very slight oilyness to it, so I can see how you could easily assume that the yellow fine foam filter underneath had been oiled. But, take the red foam off, and you find out that the yellow foam is completely dry.
 
#25 ·
Sorry about that black. i did'nt think it would come across like that to you. i just read it again and it was not properly said. thats the night we consumed a little much and i LOL now cause after reading it again, it sounds not to good. lol. know what i mean ! mark.
 
#26 ·
Sounds just like you said, the dipsh&% manager is the one who screwed up. Sure, you should have/could have checked it out yourself, but maybe not everybody has that knowledge or skill so you should be able to trust your dealer to know something as simple as this.

I guess at this point I would clean the filter, re-oil it yourself and go ride that thing.