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#1 mikeallencross

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Posted 26 April 2020 - 09:28 PM

I have a 2017 xmr outlander noticed some different handling characteristics a few runs back. A loose feeling in the rear, a definite change when going from forward to reverse and when running forward on the throttle and letting off felt a slight side shift in the rear of the bike. Couldn't find it right away but now see a couple loose bolts around rear diff. Mount and a broken bolt tab on the frame. When i grab the rear bumper and pull it to the side i definitely se movement therei seem to see movement in the plastic up near the battery. Haven't removed all the plastics yet to see up there. Has anyone else had this? A yr ago i had vary loose rear plastics and the aluminum brakets under the trunk where broken fixed all that so seems loose in deeper.

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Posted 27 April 2020 - 06:44 PM

Once you get the plastics off, I'd be keen to see what you find.

Other things to check.....

I had the rear swaybar crack off the swingarm.

A mate had the very large pivot shaft for the rear swingarms break.

These were on 2013 model bike though.



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Posted 07 May 2020 - 08:31 PM

Ok, so once I dug into it i had the two most rearward tabs at the rear ,bottom diff. bolts broke off one on each side. The diff. actually had movement you could see the bolts working. The bigger problem, was under the plastic the battery sits in the section of frame the seat sits on is bolted the 1st two bolts had loosend near the air box by the sin. number and information tag. The other 2 bolts for that frame is in the vascinity of the starter silinoid both those mounts where broken. Had considerable movement. I am a welder so not that big of a deal. I fixed, plated, gusseted painted and reassembled it all. Was a major tare down fuel tank and all plastics, battery and diff. I don't know if bolts had loosened 1st causing stress or if the cracks happened 1st causing the bolts to work? Maybe the shocks are too stiff and the impacts are stressing the frame? This section of frame are the shock mounts, and is attached by these 4 bolts, also holding the seat rider rear fenders rack and load of rack(4 bolts). Anyway fixed and stronger. Would be curious if anyone else came across this.

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Posted 08 May 2020 - 04:58 PM

Did you take any pics Mike? just to get a better understanding of what exactly and where your talking about. 



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Posted 08 May 2020 - 06:24 PM

Wow, there's something strange going on there.

If I was going to have a guess at the cause/s, I'd say the suspension is to stiff, tyre pressures are to high, tyre side walls to stiff and the bike spends a lot of time on the back wheels or jumping.

I would even add towing into the mix.

This is purely a guess, as I have no idea how or where you ride.

 

Can you give us some idea of how the bike is ridden?

Are you the original owner?

Was the bike used as a demo machine?



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Posted 08 May 2020 - 09:01 PM

A few pictures don't mind the mud will get a good cleaning as it goes back together. Still have to clean and paint the repairs drill some holes. d8e58f948129f1c93961ad9f9385ae65.jpg2099d2aa141e07ddb1419701e53e0a26.jpg0d30e5fa4af952cbb532ad303cf87fe1.jpgfdf07b556f7df7963c413ff9437c58ac.jpg0ff34c5b904b8e28f2bb210e776646a7.jpg74146531febe3bbabf9d50f69cdd7850.jpgd837408a9fe8914434863fba41b43f61.jpg

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Posted 08 May 2020 - 09:05 PM

I think I will soften the settings on the shocks. I do believe the shocks on the xxc are softer and have more travel. But will make some adjustments for now.

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Posted 08 May 2020 - 09:14 PM

Wow, there's something strange going on there.
If I was going to have a guess at the cause/s, I'd say the suspension is to stiff, tyre pressures are to high, tyre side walls to stiff and the bike spends a lot of time on the back wheels or jumping.
I would even add towing into the mix.
This is purely a guess, as I have no idea how or where you ride.
 
Can you give us some idea of how the bike is ridden?
Are you the original owner?
Was the bike used as a demo machine?

Hi, I'm the 2nd owner had 800 km when i got it i know he had it apart some so how long where those bolts loose??.. or did it happen after the breaks? We run some fairly rough trails and with this bike run them faster than i did on my old Honda could handle. I do some wheelies, not like the boys on u tube but some, no crazy jumps nothing the bike shouldn't be able to handle.


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Posted 10 May 2020 - 08:49 PM

A few more pictures dc0ca48f5c1e7ee7c2574d07d8e6afd1.jpg8e5fe069c8946d2adf7577707ee019a6.jpgcd330f8ad53f193f2952a868b4c71dba.jpg

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Posted 16 May 2020 - 06:05 PM

You've now got a one off custom machine.

Still surprised to see where the frame cracked.

Thanks for coming back with the pics.



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Posted 17 May 2020 - 05:10 PM

Mike i have never see damage like this to a G2 machine. I'm guessing since you said the previous owner said he had, had it apart in the past that he didn't either tighten the bolts all the way or did not use lock tight when he put them back on. And with all the bolts being loose like that it can only be expected that the connecting joints will fail over time. it looks like you were able to come up with a good repair atleast



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Posted 15 August 2020 - 07:58 AM

Just an update, keeping an eye on everything now, and all looks good and feels good putting some good km on it. Hopefully everyone else is out riding.

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